What if there were no Mexican gray wolves in Arizona?

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What If: Paul Gosar, Defender of Wildlife debate the impact of the Mexican grey wolf in Arizona.

What would happen if there were no Mexican grey wolves in Arizona? We asked two experts to weigh in on federal programs to reintroduce the species



Arizona would be identical to Texas in that respect and the Mexican wolf population would more closely resemble its historic range (90 percent of the Mexican wolf’s original habitat is in Mexico).

However, I am not advocating for Mexican gray wolf eradication. I simply want the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service to leave species conservation efforts to the states, to comply with federal law, and to stop implementing a flawed experimental program that poses a serious threat to Arizona ranchers, citizens and economies.

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  1. Wolves are necessary for the eco system. Stop killing these beautiful animals and let them live.


  2. The wolves may be a necessary part of the ecosystem, but if greedy ranchers and wolf-hating hunters do not want them, the wolves will probably suffer the same fate they do in Idaho, Montana, Minnesota, etc. I’m enclosing a link for an article by Dan Bell, head of the Cattlemen’s Association of Arizona. His rhetoric is not as heated as it is in some places, and he even refers to the return of the wolves as a “cruel” experiment. But the gist of the article and of the following comments section do not bode will for the wolves. We cannot make people appreciate them as we do.



    • I hear you ahimsaforever but the ranchers are infringing on the wolves. The Blue Range wolf recovery area is littered with cattle. Ranchers and their cows are the problem. The USFWS has allowed ranchers to dominate wolf recovery in New Mexico and Arizona. How can 100 wolves, on millions of acres, be a threat to anyone? It’s all smoke and mirrors to demonize the most endangered wolf in North America. It’s ridiculous.

      The Wild Gila-Blue

      For the wolves, For the wild ones,


      • I absolutely agree. I wasn’t implying that I could in any way agree with ranchers and hunters. They have no right to monopolize public land for their benefit and take habit from or harm wildlife. However, the fish and wildlife departments of most states and the federal government are in the pockets o f wealthy, powerful, and well-organized groups, such as ranching, hunting, and gun manufacturing. Since they have the most control, and since government agencies usually cave in to their demands, wolves that are introduced are the ones to suffer. Putting the wolves in areas where they are not wanted and where they will likely be harmed and killed is something those who care about them should consider. We could be loving them to death.


      • The entire article by Bell is clearly foetidly disingenuous. I once knew a Wolf who would roll in such stuff, not mistaking it as having any scent of intentiional truthfulness.
        I refused to post that article anywhere I expected sense, which was written a couple weeks back.
        ” News” must be considered as factual reportage, and thus to post such profound ignorance and purposeful lie, is itself a mistake, just as the ORson Welles 1939 “War of the Worlds” broadcast terrified tens of thousands with its fictions, ganied unintended consequences.

        Wolf scientists, and advocates find and evaluate such propaganda constantly – it is not necessary to propagate (the meaning of the Italian word) it.


  3. It would be our great loss


  4. Poor Paul!
    He forgot completely about Canis lupus mogollonensis. and Texas’ C.l. monstrabilis. both a little LARGER than C.l. baileyi, the official name for the Mexican Gray Wolf.

    Does this mean that Paul Gosar of feeble mind (of purposeful dishonesty) USFWS should go get some bigger 150lb Northern Wolves instead to help fix the genes of the little ones demonstrably adapted to the open arid country?
    Can his office, by any chance, be within critical habitat?

    ALL the wolves of North America were in touch with one another, and some advantages of size (or lack thereof) and color, helped determine the differences in average. If Paul’s disliked “Mexican” wolves are to be helped down south of him, then we still need the vital connection with the wolf of the north. Is he then eager, as he should logically be, to open up the Northern part of the state to critical habitat designation to insure the thriving of Mexican Wolves still almost completely absent in the Southern reaches of AZ, NM, and utterly absent from Texas?

    Speaking of midgets, what mental midgets elected such persons as Gosar anyway?


  5. Same crap here in MO but with the coyotes. The cattle people come in the area, cut down the trees, let their dogs run, poison the wildlife, let their cattle trash the creeks and the wildflowers and then think they are “country folk.”

    Such fools they are. I haven’t heard a coyote since this latest bunch of
    of uncouth dullards moved in our neighborhood.


  6. As a biology student living in the great Southwest, I believe that the extinction of the Mexican gray wolf would be a major tragedy! Not only would we be losing our ecologically important and locally-adapted wolf, but we’d also be losing the most genetically distinct gray wolf subspecies in North America!

    AZ Congressman Paul Gosar, one of the cosponsors of the Lobo Extinction Bill, states in your linked article that “In the U.S., the Mexican wolf population now exceeds the primary goal of 100 wolves, and there are another 250 in captivity. The wolf is no longer in danger of extinction.” Is he serious? The Mexican gray wolf is considered to be the most endangered gray wolf subspecies in North America, and one of the most endangered in the world! If anything, scientists say that the Mexican gray wolf recovery program needs to be expanded, not ended!

    Gosar and other lobo opponents claim that the Mexican gray wolf is not native to most of the Southwest and as such should not be protected, but this is inaccurate! While it is true that the currently accepted range map for this subspecies only includes the southernmost regions of the American Southwest, a look into wolf genetics reveals a different story:

    Geneticists have defined an endemic North American cluster that they have called the “southern wolf clade.” This cluster consists of four identified mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) haplotypes: lu33, lu47, lu50, and lu51. Haplotypes lu33 and lu47 are only found within the Mexican gray wolf, while haplotypes lu50 and lu51 were found in historical gray wolves that lived as far north as Utah.

    Haplotypes lu50 and lu51 were intermixed with haplotypes from northern gray wolves, thus suggesting that southwestern gray wolves – or at least their hybrids – occurred much further north than the current distribution map indicates. Scientists believe that this genetic data mandates a wider reintroduction of the Mexican gray wolf further north, in order to recreate the intermixing of northern and southern haplotypes that occurred before wolf extermination. Gosar’s proposal would prevent this from happening.

    The anti-wolf folks seem to believe that no gray wolf should ever receive any protection, no matter how endangered the subspecies or population is, since the gray wolf not globally threatened as a species. But what they fail to understand is that the preservation of genetic diversity is vital, even in species that are globally secure (such as the gray wolf).

    Why is protecting genetic diversity important? Genetic diversity within the population is extremely important for a healthy population, as it allows for the survival, adaptation, and eventual evolution of the population. A genetically homogeneous population is much more vulnerable to sudden environmental changes, which can lead to the population going extinct.

    While the gray wolf is not currently at risk of going extinct in North America, it has lost a lot of its genetic diversity and is not as genetically healthy as it used to be. Nowadays only haplotype lu33 exists in modern gray wolf populations, as haplotypes lu47, lu50, and lu51 were lost due to the historical wolf extermination campaign. If the Mexican gray wolf goes extinct, then we would lose lu33 and the entire “southern wolf clade,” thus further reducing genetic diversity from the already genetically-depleted North American gray wolf population!

    I could say a lot more about this, but I think I got my point across. Sorry for the rant, but I strongly believe in biodiversity conservation – including conservation genetics – and I get extremely angry when politics interferes with wildlife management!

    And although I love all wolves, the Mexican gray wolf holds a very special place in my heart. I would be deeply saddened if our native wolf went the way of the dodo.

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    • Since population bottlenecks also result in unforeseen founder effects, which could be deleterious, there IS always the chance of catastrophic ecosystem disruption.
      While the wolf is a rather short-lived species, the disappearance (lead and other poisoning) of wolves in the SW really has only happened since the 1920s, and as we can infer, loss of any species can have cascading effects on long-lived species which are not apparent for some generations of that longer-lived species.
      I’ve walked among both the longest-lived trees whose lives exceed 4500 yrs., and the tallest and largest, whose lives encompass over 2400 years, thinking about this.

      Since the wolf is not adapted to gunfire, or poisons which are designed to be undetectable, any human interference through such methods as hunting constitute not management, but an artificial selection unaligned with any natural selection, affecting chaotically alleles which might have value to the wolf or to its natural ecosystems.

      Ranching, a phenomenon arising only in urban industrial times, or arid land grazing in North America, ecosystems seriously depleted by this intensive sedentary use, should not be allowed to affect those natural systems. Conservation and habitat connectivity are more vital in the long term, than any present human economic consideration.


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