“Mike Hudak’s Western Turf Wars—the book you need to understand how governmental mismanagement of ranching is destroying America’s public lands with your tax dollars.”
It didn’t take Washington WDFW long to act like every other state fish and game agency, where wolves call home. They’re targeting the entire Wedge Pack of 8-11 wolves, including the pups, for death, over a few cow losses, cows that are grazing on THE AMERICAN PEOPLE’S PUBLIC LAND!!
Here’s a message to subsidized, welfare ranchers. GET YOUR FRIGGIN COWS OFF OUR PUBLIC LAND! You are the problem, not the wolves. If you don’t like wolves, then round-up your cows and put them in a secure enclosure ON YOUR LAND with an electric fence. fladry, range riders and whatever else you have to do to protect your investment. It’s not the American people’s job to subsidize your poor animal husbandry practices.
How many businesses in America have their own private goon squads ready to do their bidding, like ranchers do, with sharpshooters at their disposal to kill innocent wolves? As far as I’m concerned the cattle grazing on public land are fair game for predators if the rancher/lease holder practices the Columbus Method of cattle grazing, “Let em loose in the Spring and discover em in the Fall”
This particular rancher is grazing his cows on Colville National Forest grazing allotments. The cows will be rounded up in the fall. Nuff said.
On WDFW’s website they list apparent pro-active measures taken to prevent depredations. I think they’re lame at best. The bottom line is cattle are a non-native species that pollute streams, trample native grasses and release methane into the atmosphere. Then, when their short, sad lives are over, they’re brutally slaughtered.
Wolves are native to these lands, cattle are not. Maybe it’s time to start eating less beef. The cows and wolves will thank you.
If ranchers place cows unprotected on vast public land allotments, where predators room and use no pro-active measures or half-hearted ones, why do they expect wolves to ignore a potential food source that have virtually no defenses (most ranchers de-horn cattle.) I have to ask what fantasy land they’re living in?
And yet these tiny cow losses are nothing compared to the tens of thousands of cows that die from disease, birthing, accidents, theft, etc. in Washington state every year. In 2010 alone 19, 800 cattle were lost to non-predation and 17,500 calves, totaling 37,300 cattle losses. (NASS) Why don’t we hear about that? Those losses COULD effect a rancher’s bottom line and aren’t reimbursed. Instead, a handful of cow depredations, that may or may not be caused by wolves, stirs a media frenzy. It’s only when wolves are involved that the rancher barons start ramping up the rhetoric. Do they care less for the cattle lost to non-predation? When cows die from disease does Wildlife Services show up with sharpshooters and traps?
We are subsidizing the killing of our predators. Taxpayer dollars are financing the all out assault on the Wedge Pack, because Washington WDFW is calling in Wildlife Services to do the dirty work of killing 5 month old puppies and their family. To add insult to injury we allow these ranchers to graze their cattle on our public lands for peanuts.
This needs to stop and the only way it’s going to stop is to revoke rancher’s grazing leases and force them to raise their cattle on their own property. If I have a tenant renting my house, who doesn’t follow the rules, I’ll make sure I won’t renew their lease.
The American people have the right to decide who uses our land, we just haven’t exercised that right. Organizations like Western Watersheds Project have been very successful litigating grazing rights issues. There is no reason public land grazing can’t be shut down or severely cut back if the public gets involved. Grazing cattle on public land is one of the biggest threats to our predators, specifically wolves.
Washington state has proven they are no better than Montana, Idaho, Wyoming, Oregon, Minnesota, Michigan, Wisconsin, Arizona or New Mexico concerning gray wolves.
I encourage everyone to call Washington’s Department of Tourism and let them know how you feel about cows trumping wolves on public land. Let them know you won’t be traveling or visiting the state if they destroy this wolf pack and you’ll spread the word to your friends and family that Washington is bowing to the livestock industry.
GET CATTLE OFF PUBLIC LAND AND STOP KILLING WOLVES!!
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WDFW Now Aims To Take Out Entire Wedge Wolf Pack
State hunters are ramping up their efforts to kill wolves in northern Stevens County, and now don’t plan to stop until they’ve killed off the Wedge Pack.
“The attempt now is to remove the entire pack,” said WDFW wolf policy coordinator Steve Pozzanghera this morning.
The agency is loading up its toolbox for the effort to take out the eight to 11 members of the livestock-depredating group, including tasking more marksmen, trappers and biologists to the area; hunting over not only calf carcasses but roadkilled deer; hunting at all hours with a fuller array of weaponery; bringing in USDA Wildlife Services for “technical assistance” on snaring; and possibly bringing local law enforcement into the hunt.
“If we’re unsuccessful, we will consider aerial gunning,” Pozzanghera adds.
http://www.nwsportsmanmag.com/2012/09/21/wdfw-now-aims-to-take-out-entire-wedge-wolf-pack/
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What’s even more frustrating about this is the open range cattle represent only the smallest fraction of cattle production in the US. These welfare ranchers would have us thinking they’re feeding America when in reality they represent a tiny fraction of domestic beef. In fact the largest source of domestic beef are giant feedlots that have nothing to do with “cowboys”, “ranches”, or “the range”. Check the beef industry statistics to learn more here: http://www.beefusa.org/beefindustrystatistics.aspx
These welfare ranchers that live on the teat of the taxpayer are the thing that ought to be an endangered species.
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What can be done to stop this senseless slaughter ???
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Let me get this straight – the state of Washington and the feds Wildlife killing Services have money to spend on sharp shooters’ wages & overtime, fuel for their massive pickup trucks, guns, ammo, binoculars, spotting scopes, telemetry and airplanes and helicopters – to kill an entire pack of wolves. How much was spent on non-lethal? One can only imagine the military-type operation that’s been put into place. The baiting & snaring – the horrible strangling – the collecting of mangled road kill – maybe the agencies will make a B movie out of it all.
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Excellent, intelligent comments Resist. Thank you! Bob
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Ok… I don’t understand somthing. 1) why don’t they just hire a cowboy/sheperd to ride out with the cows and fire warning shots if wolves get near? 2) The Federal Government paid for the wolves repopulation, why don’t they just request reimbursement for their lost cattle? (they can legally do it). 3) Considering the amount of cattle they leave to die due to illness, the number of cattle killed by wolves (which is generally the tardy ones) is very low, why not just write them off?
Oh just looked it up, yep they get a tax right off for the value of the cow for everyone that is “lost” to predators. Again, why kill wolves?
That being said, I think the request for them not to use public lands for grazing is ridiculous and their accusation that they are “well fair ranchers” is equally asinine. All cattle ranching is subsidized, whether it’s factory or open air. Technically all ranching is “well fair” and the industry over produces cattle all the time leading to slaughter pits, which are done to maintain price stability. This wolf site has people advocating for factory farms, which is the most unethical means of raising cattle, it’s bad for the cattle, bad for the meat and is essentially a living misery for all involved (except for the stock owners). I support the cattle ranchers right to have cows graze on public lands, I also support the wolves right to eat those cows. Wolves don’t just kill as they please, they hunt down the slowest/weakest animal kill it, eat if for days/weeks until they need a new carcass. I can’t imagine one pack is causing a huge dent in their cattle population.
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I quit eating beef a long time ago.
I see how cattle are treated here in the state of MO.
Speaking of nuff said.
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What about Canada? don’t they have a say in what happens to the pack? these wolves cross through the US Canadian border. The USFWS should be taking the fact that these wolves also ‘belong” to Canada as well
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CANADA IS JUST AS BAD AS USA CONCERNING WOLVES. THEY ALSO ARE KILLING THEM!!!
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FOR HEAVEN’S SAKE YOU HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! LESS TALK AND MORE ACTION. THE GRAZING LAND IS “PUBLIC’S LAND” RIGHT??? SO WHAT ABOUT SUING THE RANCHERS FOR TRESPASSING OR SOMETHING ACCEPTABLE BY LAW??? ALL THE OFFICIALS AND RANCHERS ARE PART OF THE “CABAL ILLUMINATI” STILL GIVING ORDERS BUT SOON TO BE THROWN OUT OF POWER. SO SLOW DOWN THE BASTARDS WITH A LAW SUIT SOMEHOW. I AM IN SOUTH AFRICA AND LOVE WOLVES WHICH WE DON’T HAVE IN AFRICA, ONLY WILD DOGS. SAVE THEM PLEASE. YOU ARE ALSO POWERFUL SO USE WHATEVER POWER YOU CAN GATHER AND STOP THE SLAUGHTER. HOW ABOUT ASKING “PETA” TO HELP YOU SAVE THEM AS CRUELTY TO ANIMALS WHICH SHOULD BE PUNISHABLE BY LAW. NO GOVERNMENT OFFICE SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO JUST DECIDE TO EXTERMINATE A NATIVE ANIMAL WITHOUT THE CONSENT OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. DO SOMETHING NOW, GET TOGETHER HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE TO STORM THEIR OFFICES DEMANDING AN IMMEDIATE STAY OF THE WOLVES KILLINGS. DON’T LET THEM GET AWAY WITH MURDER.
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This is effing dirty. Dirty scums!!! Baiting wolves with deer now this. WHen will this end?? Where is justice for all the wild animals that suffer because of human love for the hunting sport. Hunting is not real anymore while fishing(not whaling) is somewhat okay because the animal have a chance to get away. Land animals suffer soo much so hunting must be banned.
I heard they’re trying to change people’s mind from eating livestock on land to ocean farming because of environmental damage livestock do on land . The fishes get to roam free. Fishes do less damage to the environment and are much healthier for your body. The Japanese ate fish and they;re living longer and healthier than most people on the planet.What do you guys think about this? Do you think fishes would suffer less than mammals. I hope ocean farming put ranchers out of business.
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Cattle are left uncared for on the range to die of harsh weather conditions, illness, calving, and perhaps some predation. Other cattle are suffering in feedlots. The remaining living cattle are sent to slaughterhouses. Deer and elk are hunted. Wolves are shot, snared, trapped. Wow, what a testimony to greedy, mean-spirited human beings.
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It’s public land. Stop slaughtering wolves that belong there and the wild horses that belong there. Keep your privately owned cattle on your privately owned property.
You are nothing but a bunch of butchers. Keep to what you own.
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Reblogged this on Exposing the Big Game and commented:
This is the pack I blogged about here: http://exposingthebiggame.wordpress.com/2012/09/08/leave-wolves-the-hell-alone/
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I’m getting a little annoyed with the WDFG now, introducing these animals only to be at the beck and call of ranchers and kill them. They need to grow a pair of cojones and protect these animals that they introduced, not the ranching interests.
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I can not imagine a World without Our Wolves. It is so very amazing to see them work as a team. The Alpha female leads the hunt. Pups stay behind with close Family members. Gee. What a horrible Species 😦
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This sets a bad precedent for the other packs as well. Who’s to say that some other group won’t start screeching about something, and the WDFG will kill them as well. The program is only a year old, and yet the WDFG seems to be ready to give in and give up, which tells me that their heart was never really in it to begin with.
Ranchers have been here for generations they say? Wolves were here for thousands of years before Europeans set foot here with their disease and livestock. The woman who asks for understanding regarding the early settlers’ gravesites allegedly by wolves seems to forget what was done by the early settlers to desecrate the gravesites of the native people of this country. I really was appalled by that statement.
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Thousands? Oh noes more like millions of years. They’ve been here for millions of years even before the native Americans.
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It’s cultural. Man and wolf coexisted just fine for thousands of years until the Europeans came, with their superstition and crock of manifest destiny.
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Canis lupus colonized North America during the Rancholabrean (Late Pleistocene), which was less than a million years ago. The subspecies Canis lupus occidentalis (the subspecies now inhabiting Washington State) is even newer, originating at the end of the Rancholabrean, and only within the last 10,000 years (as the glaciers retreated) did this subspecies start to spread throughout North America from Beringia. So no, gray wolves were not in America for millions of years.
Despite this, however, wolves are a native species, since they arrived on their own (without human aid), have been here for thousands of years, and are now a vital part of healthy North American ecosystems.
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CarlaVelosoWolf….Gray wolves crossed the Bering Strait land bridge into North America approx. 300,000 years ago. Worrying about sub-species is the least of our problems. The purpose of the discussion was to point out a non-native species (cattle) is taking precedence over a native species (gray wolves) on public land, land that belongs to the American people. Wolves should always trump cows on public land.
From Howl Colorado:
What modern sciences says…
The last couple of decades have seen some biologists begin to scale back on the number of subspecies they recognize.
Prior to the official adoption of the 24 subspecies, Dr. L. David Mech observed that so many subspecies were unnecessary, and that many lacked the necessary differentiators to earn them a standalone subspecies designation.
There are a few reasons that wolf populations would be misclassified as distinct subspecies.
The population represented a sample size too small to effectively determine the differences necessary to accurately identify a new subspecies
Wolf migration and extensive range obscures possible distinct subspecies through significant interbreeding
Variation within the same subspecies can be quite significant in terms of size and color.
This new way of thinking about wolves was outlined in a tangible way at the 1992 North American Wolf Symposium when mammalogist and author Ronald Nowak presented findings based on analyzing wolf skulls identifying only five distinct subspecies. Nowak’s consolidated subspecies list is also officially accepted in addition to Hall’s earlier defined 24 subspecies list and both are widely accepted.
canis lupus arctos (arctic wolf)
canis lupus lycaon (eastern wolf) – which some believe is a species of it’s own – not just a subspecies.
canis lupus occidentalis
canis lupus baileyi (Mexican gray wolf)
canis lupus nubilus
There are also some biologists who believe that the domestic dog is close enough to their ancestors (able to interbreed with and produce fertile young for example) that they could be classified as a wolf subspecies (canis lupus familiaris).
Continuously contentious…
There are still claims that the reintroduced wolves which now make their home in Montana, Idaho and Wyoming are “Canadian” wolves and as such are bigger, and more aggressive than the “native” species (which at the time would have been the then extinct or near-extinct irremotus).
There are a few problems with this claim. Some have switched their selection of “native” species to be canis lupus nubilus – based on the fact that Nowak suggested that irremotus was a subset of nubilus.
The problem with this is, of course, that nubilus has a range which stretches through the western United States, up in to Canada and even up to Alaska.
This creates two problems.
First, and most obvious, of course is that canis lupus nubilus would also be a Canadian wolf – since wolves pay little attention to borders.
Second, with such a massive range, there is good reason to believe that canis lupus occidentalis (western Canada and Alaska) and canis lupus nubilus have regularly crossed paths and hunt similar prey.
The other major issue is that there has been a pretty significant sample size (about 20%) of the Idaho wolf population which has been weighed in the last 6 months thanks to the wolf hunt.
The average weight of the 188 wolves killed in the 2009 Idaho wolf hunt was less than 100lbs.
The claim that occidentalis is more aggressive is also pretty subjective and doesn’t seem to have much supporting evidence.
There is some truth in that occidentalis is a little larger on average than some other wolf subspecies. However, the evidence of the small size of the wolves in Idaho, it seems clear that wolves (regardless of subspecies) are similar to many other animals in that their size is predominantly determined by environment and availability of prey.
Is a gray wolf just a gray wolf?
After all of this confusion over subspecies, there are some who may just be feeling that a gray wolf is just a gray wolf and that the added complexities of the subspecies adds unnecessary smokescreen to an already controversial topic.
Perhaps there is some truth to that. But regardless of whether you believe there are two dozen subspecies, half a dozen subspecies or that the subspecies are somewhat irrelevant, it is clear that it is not a point around which anti-wolf camps can build a plausible argument.
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?topic=50983.0
For the wolves, For the wild ones,
Nabeki
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Nabeki,
I never stated which subspecies should and should not be in Washington State. I just mentioned that Canis lupus occidentalis is the subspecies that is now inhabiting the state. I understand that there is much debate over the number of wolf subspecies that exist, but the whole subspecies issue was not the purpose of my comment; the comment was about how long Canis lupus has been in North America.
I am very well aware that wolves crossed the Bering Bridge hundreds of thousands of years ago into North America. When I mentioned colonization within the last 10,000 years I was only referring to Canis lupus occidentalis, not Canis lupus as a whole. As you stated the species arrived in North America approximately 300,000 years ago – which is less than a million years ago (logically, they therefore cannot have been here for millions of years, as someone mentioned they have been).
Simply put, we cannot expect to be able to protect wolves if we lie about the species (such as stating that they have been here a lot longer than they actually were).
I never said anything about how non-native cows should have priority over native wolves. Native species ALWAYS get priority over non-native species! As in, wolves get priority over the cows, and although the cows should be protected from predation killing wolves should not be the solution.
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My point CarlaVelosoWolf is quibbling about sub-species right now is really a moot point. All wolves are in danger of extermination. The sub-species discussion was for another time when there was a modicum of civil discourse going on. Now it’s just kill all the wolves. Our biggest worry is not reintroducing them to Colorado, which would make tremendous sense but saving the wolves we have left. The entire situation is spinning out of control and the only hope for wolves is re-listing, which will be a huge uphill battle but that is the only thing that will save them now. The inmates are running the asylum and as long as the states are in charge they will keep killing wolves.
For the wolves, For the wild ones,
Nabeki
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Hi Nabeki. i am Marlena Azevedo from South Africa and I am in love with wolves and red indians since I learn how to read and devoured books with red indians and wolves. I have spanish blodd among others and am ashamed to even mentioned that as spaniards are and have always been brutal people. Just go to Mexico and see what they do to the bulls, also such beautiful animals; and in Spain they torture a bull to death just for the fun of it which can take 20minutes to 50 minutes for the bull to die. I have always said i much prefer animals to people as they are far more rational than human beasts. I am deviating, going back to wolves I ask you personally now although I have already stated what i am now going to repeat. Advise all your people involved with saving the wolves from the cabal bastards in office to be sure to keep on suing them and delay the execution of the wolves slaughter for as long as possible. I don’t know if you are aware but there are events about to happen that for many people are mind blowing of which I have known for 35 years. By December everything on earth is going to start changing radically like 360 degrees. The cabal who actually are minions of the reptilian humanoids which have been enslaving us for thousands of years are about to be completely helpless and contained by our galactic family who are by the millions in our stratosphere and also orbiting our sun. I hope you are aware of what I am refering to and not doubt my sanity. I have known of their existence since 1976 when myself and my 3 sons saw their flying saucers for years until now. I have every night about 7 to 10 UFO’s as I look out the sky above me from my balcony in Cape Town, South Africa, when the sky is clear.
We have free will that’s why most of the hard work has to be done by us to prove ourselves worthy of assistance. By Divine Order they sent all the humanoid reptilians back from where they came including the grey’s who were used as pawns by the reptilians. We are free from them but there are still some human look alike hybrids who are fighting to remain in control but are loosing ground thanks to the pressure exercised by the ET’s without commotion or upheaval of any kind. They are from 5th Dimension and know not violence at all. They are highly evolved with technology knowledge beyond even our dreams which they shall teach us about. This containment of the last cabal illuminati zionists shall come to fruition by December the latest, with luck possibly a bit earlier reason why I ask to keep the cabal officers busy with law suits. This is not sci-fy its the REAL DEAL!
Tell all your people to find any law loopholes no matter how small and just sue all the states offices with wolves in danger. I hope you believe me for the sake of the wolves that i so much love.
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Nabeki,
Subspecies are just as important as species, populations, and ecosystems when it comes to conservation. To disregard them when discussing conservation is, simply put, irresponsible.
As a species, Canis lupus is not threatened with extinction. The IUCN classifies the wolf as “Least Concern,” which means that it is not threatened with global extinction at this time. Unlike some other “Least Concern” species whose population size is decreasing and of which might qualify for a threatened category in the near future (ex. Crocuta crocuta [Spotted Hyaena/Hyena]), the wolf’s global population size has remained stable (neither increasing nor decreasing).
That’s not to say that certain subspecies and populations are not threatened with extinction of that the species is completely free from threats, however. The IUCN recognizes that the wolf still faces many threats and that some populations and subspecies are threatened with extinction.
I definately agree that the gray wolf needs to go back on the Endangered Species List (in the Lower 48) though, even if it’s only so that the states could develop better management plans for the species.
Reintroducing wolves to Colorado and elsewhere would be a major step forward in wolf recovery, and such activity should be conducted if possible. But I also see your point in how it should not be the major concern about wolves at this time, especially since the states with delisted wolf populations are practically on a kill all of the wolves hunting and trapping spree.
Part of protecting an endangered species is removing the threats that caused its dire status in the first place. What’s the point in restoring and delisting a species (ex. gray wolf) if its major threats are still as strong as ever? To restore a species, delist it from the ESA, and allow its population to once again be drastically reduced in size is a waste of time, energy, and (dare I get myself to even say this) money. A major step in wolf recovery should be eliminating or at least reducing these major threats, along with population restoration and protection.
I also agree on how this wolf killing has gotten completely out of control! Re-listing is a logical thing to do in order to save the wolves, but we also need to help ranchers learn how to co-exist with wolves, let the hunters know that wolves are not destroying all of the big game, and help wildlife managers come up with and use non-lethal methods of controlling wolf populations (immunocontraception comes to mind here). That way, there would be less incentive to kill wolves in the first place.
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Carla, while wolves are being persecuted, tortured and killed, you are going on and on with details that we don’t need right now at all. Get out there and advocate and fight for all wolves in America. We can discuss the details later, after we have succeeded in protecting all wolves of every sub-species. If innocent humans in the Rockies were being persecuted, tortured and massacred would you prefer to spend your energy and ours discussing technicalities or saving them??? So fight for all of America’s wolves or go away.
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CarlaVelosoWolf…We’ve had this discussion over and over, I agree with Robert, let’s not quibble about sub-species, wolves are being slaughtered and in danger of disappearing from the lower 48 once more. We need to focus on getting them relisted and worry about ancillary issues later. Think of it this way, in emergency medicine there’s a term called triage, it means to see the sickest patients first. If someone has a sprained ankle and another has a gunshot wound, who is going get immediate attention?. Obviously the gunshot wound, the sprained ankle can wait.
For the wolves, For the wild ones,
Nabeki
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Robert,
I care about all wolves of all subspecies and populations, and of all species of life in general.
I am very well aware that I may be saying what seems like useless infomation but the better educated we are on the issue and of wolves in general then the better chance we have of saving them from cruel persecution.
When saving humans, wolves, or any other living creature we need to use a combination of both immediate action and coming up with technicalities/techniques. Obviously, the immediate action would be used to save the innocent lives at the moment, but the invention of new techniques could help us even more with the battle to save lives in the future. We cannot continue “doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results” (to quote Albert Einstein); using the same techniques over and over again without inventing new ones won’t help us save wolves if they didn’t work previously.
I have done my fair share of immediate actions in regards to protecting wolves. I have given presentations about it to clubs at my school, have signed petitions, have created my own petitions and letters and sent them to the government, and tell just about everyone I talk to about the war that is going on against wolves. I hope to give formal speeches about the topic in the near future.
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Nabeki,
As a conservationist, I am concerned with both the survival of species and the protection of genetic diveristy. Subspecies are a major part of genetic diversity; they are distinctive populations of a species. That’s why I’m so concerned about protecting them along with the species, not just for wolves but for all other species as well. Wolves have already lost enough genetic diversity as it is due to endless persecution, and I really don’t want more of it to be lost because we don’t take the extra time and effort to protect the various subspecies.
Sorry for getting so defensive over my viewpoints on subspecies but ever since Congress illegally forced the delisting of the Northern Rocky Mountain Gray Wolf I have gotten very defensive over my opinions (which I try to base off of the facts that I read) in general as I now feel that I am always having to defend them from someone (esp. against the anti-wolf folk). You know what this feels like, right?
Yes, we really need to stop debating this issue. I’ve gotten into many arguments over subspecies (among other things) with the anti-wolf folk and I really don’t want to make enemies out of my fellow wolf advocates over this.
I really hope that gray wolves (in the Lower 48 States) are relisted, and that the federal government forces all of the states to develop better wolf management plans. It seems like that’s the only way to save the wolves now. Not to mention that the wolf is not yet recovered nationwide. Plus, a species cannot be considered recovered until the threats that endangered it in the first place are removed or at least have their influences drastically reduced. Wolves are still threatened by the same anti-wolf attitude that wiped them out in the first place. They should never of been delisted, at least not at this time.
Speaking of wolves in the Lower 48, I have heard that the USFWS plans on delisting gray wolves nationwide. I’ve come across this fact multiple times over the past 2 weeks or so. Is this true?
P.S. Thanks so much for letting us have this maturely conducted debate without throwing insults at me. The anti-wolf folk throw insults (some of which can be quite hurtful) at me all of the time and it really gets on my nerves more than anything. I always ask them to stop but they won’t. And whenever I try to tell them the facts that I’ve read (sometimes with quoting sources), they insult me even more. So yeah, thanks again for refraining from using the insults. I know this is totally off topic but it means a lot to me. Insults never contribute to a useful debate and I personally view them as a sign of weakness in an arguement.
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They should of release wolves quietly like they did Russian hogs(government conspiracy for wolves but not hogs, hypocrite wolf haters). There’s no irrational hate or fear for hogs like wolves even though hogs do more damage than wolves to livestock and crops. Most of those stupid wolf hunters say stupid stuff like “wolves are a non native species” lol. All of us and our animals dogs, cats, hogs, livestock are non native here. These men are such hypocrites. Wolves belong here don’t matter if they’re from Canada or USA they belong here. NORTH AMERICAN.
These are the same people who fear gays, immigrants, abortion and germs…
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es malo para el eco sistema todos los animales son necesarios
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I continue to be amazed at how stupid these people are and HOW do they get away w/ it? I am calling and e-mailing the gov. of Wash. and that stupid salazar & his killers that I pay for!
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AGAIN I ONLY SEE A LOT OF TALK TALK BUT NO ACTION AND I AM NOT AN AMERICAN. I HAVE NO IDEA HOW TO GO ABOUT AND PUT TOGETHER PEOPLE TO FIGHT THE ASSASSINS OF WOLVES AND DON’T EVEN POSSESS THE FINANCES TO DO SO. YOU ARE WASTING TIME WITH JUST COMMENTS BUT I DON’T SEE ANYBODY DOING ANYTHING POSITIVE ABOUT IT. YOU ARE ALLOWING A FAMILY OF WOLVES TO BE SLAUGHTERED. REALLY I BELIEVED YOU AMERICANS HAD MORE BALLS THAN THAT!!!
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We must not let our anger fuel the fight, doubt is a luxury the advocates can no longer afford. Go confront the problem! Fight! Win!
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For crying out loud man I didn’t mean FIGHT PHYSICALlY!!!!!!!!!!! Your advocates must find a loop in the law concerning the cows grazing public land. Such should not be aloud. Bring the President Obama into agreeing to stop the slaughter. Get a PERSONAL MEETING with your President , do SOMETHING!!! Stop stupid comments that get this situation nowhere. Calling the lousy cabal minions names doesn’t help the problem, does it??? You all must be thousands right??? Then use the power of numbers to the President, just bloody DO SOMETHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Like I wrote before get the massacre DELAYED SOMEHOW for a couple of months. Just sue the wildlife office whatever its name is to gain time. TRUST ME THAT WILL SAVE ALL THE WOLVES OF USA AND CANADA. WE NEED TIME TO BRING THAT TO FRUITION. GET THAT GOING NOW IMMEDIATELY. SOMETIMES ONE HAS TO BELIEVE IN MIRACLES TO MAKE THEM HAPPEN. IF YOU MANAGE TO STAY THE KILLINGS FOR A COUPLE OF MONTHS ALL THE GLOBAL ANIMALS SHALL BE SAVED FROM MURDER AND WHATEVER OTHER CRUELTY. BELIEVE IT I KNOW AND I AM NOT CRAZY. THERE ARE THINGS BEYOND MANY PEOPLE’S UNDERSTANDING THAT ARE ABOUT TO MANIFEST FOR THE GOOD OF ALL HUMANS, ANIMALS AND NATURE. FOR JUST ONCE IN YOUR LIFETIME TRUST THESE WORDS AND GET A DELAY FOR THE SAKE OF THE WOLVES P L E A S E!
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There is persuasion and power in unity. Everyone here has to contact the WA governor and make it heard that we are outraged. She has to order stopping this wolf slaughter. See links on this site. Do it now, Please! Time is running out for these wolves.
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I sent this letter to the gov on her contact form and to their tourism….I will be calling her tomorrow.
My son and daughter in law live and work in Seattle. They are voters
and tax payers, too. I will never come to Seattle to visit them again
if you do this. They will vote you out of office if you do this.
The rancher needs to have his grazing allottments retired/rescinded.
He has been compensated for his losses.
DO NOT KILL ANY MEMBER OF THE WEDGE PACK…..STOP THE PLANS TO KILL
THIS PACK OF WOLVES…IT GOES AGAINST THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE AND THIS
IS SUPPOSED TO BE A DEMOCRACY…WE HAVE BEEN BETRAYED BY THE
GOVERNMENT BECAUSE WE DO NOT WANT YOU TO USE OUR TAXPAYER DOLLARS TO
KILL WOLVES….WE WANT WOLVES PROTECTED….STOP KILLING AND TRAPPING
WOLVES – ONLY SATAN AND HIS MINIONS WANT THIS….
My Dad, a German Jew, left Nazi Germany at age 22 in Nov 37. He raised
me that if I wintessed something wrong, I have to do something about
it. Well I am witessing something wrong/evil – the plans to kill the
Wedge Wolf Pack. This is wrong and evil….
This is genocide of wolves!
RETIRE THE GRAZING PEMITS FOR THIS RANCHER. PERIOD. DO NOT KILL ANY
WOLVES.PERIOD.
THE LORD CREATED THE WOLVES FOR US TO BE GUARDIANS/NOT KILLERS….
WHOSE SIDE ARE YOU ON? THE LORD’S OR SATAN’S?
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will no longer spend mony in eastern washingto no more camping or funding easternwashington
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Soon there are in the world only cattle and humans. No place for wild animals.
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There is real power in unity. Let your outrage be heard. Contact the Governor; contact the Humane Society of the United States; contact PETA and any animal welfare organization possible and tell them to exert their authorities. Have your friends and family do this, too. It is the only way we can save the Wedge Pack. Our voice matters! Rise!!!
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Hmm. Check this out-
From a WA attorney blogsite:
http://www.grahamlawyerblog.com/tag/okanogan/
Please call the Governor and DNR offices every hour.
Dont you wish YOU could buy some lobbyists like WCA,NCBA, and RMEF? Welcome to the U$.
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AT LAST SOME VERY POSITIVE IDEAS. FOLLOW THEM IN EARNEST. THERE HAS TO BE A DELAY ASAP.
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Petition to stop the WDFW Shoot to Kill Order:
http://www.change.org/petitions/save-washington-s-wolves
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I hate u ppl ! This is not right at all ! U heartless ppl , I feel like crying every time I read this crap!! Wht is our world coming to ! Leave the animals Alone !! They will b instict if we all don’t get together and do something about this!! My heart is broken!!!!
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Don’t understand why people need to kill wolves now makes no sense you and law makers are cruel isn’t there enough killing of life of animals the wolves are under populated stop killing them save our wolves
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This is a tragedy for wolves and conservation! Once again, the almighty dollar is put over the lives of living, breathing creatures. Tragic…
Now how come Canada doesn’t have a say on the fate of the Wedge Pack? After all, these wolves are/were Canadian citizens too (I know that wolves don’t recognize political boundries, but that’s not the point; the point is they also lived in Canada)! But yet again, why involve them if this is American buisness, right? The USA can be so egocentric at times…everyone from every country on the planet should be able to have a say on what happens to native wildlife (such as the wolf), even if a particular species, subspecies, population, social group (ex. pack, clan, herd, etc.) or individual doesn’t live in their country. Flora and Fauna are a valuable, priceless natural heritage that belong to everyone, not just any single nation or special interest group.
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Can anyone tell me where and to whom the Diamond M. Ranch sells their beef?
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